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[Los Santos Police]

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Los Santos Police Department
Firearms Licensing Division
Questions and Answers

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This thread may be used to ask questions in regards to the Personal Protection Permit Section or the Guard Permit Section. Please ensure that you have read through the threads in the Personal Protection Permit Section, Guard Permit Section, and Licensing Desk prior to asking a question.

This thread should not be used to ask about the progress of your application. Any in character requests should be forwarded to the appropriate person via a forum private message. Thank you for understanding.

Back-seat moderating is strictly prohibited.

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[David Wolf]

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Greetings, I'm contacting this department regarding the condition on open carry and concealed carry. To the best of my knowledge, and to ensure the safety of keeping a clean criminal record, issues on carrying a firearm on private property need to be further acknowledge by the licensing department.


Private Property
Many firearm owners perform various task with their firearm such as cleaning, hunting, sporting. However, many of this tasks require for the personal to either open carry, or conceal their firearm. If I'm correct with my information, open carry is perfectly legal on private property, or private property in which you have permission to do so, such as Goodguns, which has open lanes for practicing firing, hunting lands with a rifle, or when working an armed guard.


This sections seems to be only covering the PPS/Guard Card, however if you can help me with this CCP issue, I'll be gradly appreciative. I've been a CCP holder since 2013, however, I'm also certain, conceal carrying a firearm is legal for property owned or rented. What I am unsure of is, is it legal to conceal carry, without a CCP permit, on a property in which you are given direct permission to do so? From reasoning if the statement above is false, potential CCP instructors will know the person must get a CCP first before seeking live practice/training in the regard of concealed carry.


State Property
To my knowledge, open carry is not allowed on state property, such as, sidewalks, roadways, etc. This is void in the regards of being a law-enforcement officer. However, the question I want to ask is dependent on some other question so I will address that one first which involves a statement in the guard card license usage section.

This following statement seems kind of confusing: "The license holder may only open carry their firearm while immediately operating in the capacity as a security guard and within their area of business. This means guards may not carry a firearm during body guard duties, unless conducted within the premises of their employer."

Is this saying only security guards can open carry?
(Only active LEOs are allowed to conceal carry as security/bodyguards.)
If the above is true, when performing bodyguard duties are you considered a security guard?
If the above statement is true, conducting as a bodyguard within the premises of one's employer, does this mean only on the employers premises (like owned property), or anywhere as long they are next to the employer?
If it is the case of anywhere, is open carry allowed on state property when operating in the capacity of a bodyguard and guarding one's employer?


I hope my questions don't come off too complex-ed or rude. I'm looking to find a better understanding of the permits instead of acting on assuming to protect myself, and others from fines/arrests that might arise if otherwise. These are the missing pieces of my understanding.

Thanks,
David Wolf

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[Alexander_Darnell]

David Wolf,

Thank you for posting your questions/concerns and I will be doing my best to answer them in order from the first question you wrote to the last one. Some answers may contain the relevant information to answer more then one of your questions.

- Carrying concealed without a permit is considered illegal. Answering that question directly is difficult to answer so what I can say is that if someone does not have a CCW permit they can't even have their firearm with them as they transport it to the private property. The only time a firearm can be put into a car if they have a license to purchase a firearm but no CCW permit is either if it's from their house to private residence, business to private residence, or when hunting.

- Those with a valid San Andreas Guard Card can and are only allowed to open carry as long as they are operating within the capacity of a Security Guard and/or Body Guard.
- No, a security guard protects a business and acts as an agent for their employer while a body guard guards a specific person. Acting as a body guard is only considered legal as long as you are guarding a person on a house/business with your employer being the owner/leaser of said property and has specifically assigned you to act as the stated person's guard. A good example of acting as a body guard would be that you are hired as a Body Guard for a Betting Shop with your specific job being to guard the High-Stakes dealer; The person hiring you is the owner/leaser of that Betting Shop.
- Open Carrying on state property is never allowed (Exempt for on duty LEOs) and is considered a misdemeanor as well as the revocation of all valid firearm licenses under the said person's name. It would be best to read and understand how far the property lines are, as well to avoid exiting them while armed unless in a life-threatening situation to avoid any "accidents."

I do hope this sums up your questions without causing confusion. Please let me know if there are any further questions you have.

Signed,

Officer in Charge of the Guard Permit Section
Firearms Licensing Division Command
Administrative Services Bureau
Los Santos Police Department

[Thomas_Gardner]

Are we allowed to conceal our firearms in a secured holster and carry?

Example: show

[Alexander_Darnell]

Are we allowed to conceal our firearms in a secured holster and carry?

Example: show

The holster must be "concealed," meaning it is not visible to others. This is only legal provided that you have a CCW or a LEO CCW.

You can not have an exposed holster unless you have a valid San Andreas Guard Card (LEO CCWs let you guard with a concealed firearm) and are actively operating as a Guard hired by an employer and are following the regulations and guidelines for the Guard Card.

Signed,

Officer in Charge of the Guard Permit Section
Firearms Licensing Division Command
Administrative Services Bureau
Los Santos Police Department

[Theodore_Hutchinson]

Where is the official map of "valid" streets in San Andreas.

(( I keep getting put on pending, even though no document states anything about an official register of street names - only about valid street name attempts (which mine is). ))

[Adrian_Donnelly]

Where is the official map of "valid" streets in San Andreas.

(( I keep getting put on pending, even though no document states anything about an official register of street names - only about valid street name attempts (which mine is). ))

The map of valid street names can be found in Section IV of the PF License Application Guide (here).

[Theodore_Hutchinson]

Where is the official map of "valid" streets in San Andreas.

(( I keep getting put on pending, even though no document states anything about an official register of street names - only about valid street name attempts (which mine is). ))

The map of valid street names can be found in Section IV of the PF License Application Guide (here).

The street name I used is on that map.

[Adrian_Donnelly]

Where is the official map of "valid" streets in San Andreas.

(( I keep getting put on pending, even though no document states anything about an official register of street names - only about valid street name attempts (which mine is). ))

The map of valid street names can be found in Section IV of the PF License Application Guide (here).

The street name I used is on that map.

You used Sokolov Road, however, Sokolov Avenue is the correct address.

[Intel1G]

Is it any possible way to get an unban from PF license applications?

[Adrian_Donnelly]

Is it any possible way to get an unban from PF license applications?

For in character bans, no.

For out of character bans, yes. You must appeal your ban by following the instructions that are listed on this thread.

[Arsham_Krushenko]

Is it any possible way to get an unban from PF license applications?

For in character bans, no.

On your current name, no*
You can change your IC name.

[Alexandra_Mayers]

If I got accepted for a Guard Card, do I have the ability to apply for CCW meanwhile?

[Greg_Dicatamo]

If I got accepted for a Guard Card, do I have the ability to apply for CCW meanwhile?

Yes

[Dequantes_Cole]

If my CCW got revoked for being "intoxicated" while carrying a licensed gun, Can I re-apply for it/ appeal? ( I've not been arrested)

[Adrian_Donnelly]

If my CCW got revoked for being "intoxicated" while carrying a licensed gun, Can I re-apply for it/ appeal? ( I've not been arrested)

No.

[Dequantes_Cole]

I can not appeal?

[Adrian_Donnelly]

I can not appeal?

No.

Revocation Criteria for a CCW License

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• Committing a felony or misdemeanor offense.
• Using narcotics or possessing narcotics for use.
• Failure to identify to a peace officer as a license holder.
• Failure to follow license usage protocol.

[Chandler_Wright]

(( Good day.

I have a question regarding two particular licensed firearms for sale.
As listed, the models Colt O4091U and Ed Brown's SF3-BB-CAL2 are certified in state of CA (hence, SA), however, due to my not-so-deep knowledge of firearms, I am confused as which to portray in it's way. The 04091U is a Colt Combat Commander, while Ed Brown's a California's Special Forces Approved, but both are simply variants of the 1911 model, is that correct?

Furthermore, second question, the list is familiar to me - is it from the official California weapon licensing law? If so, I stumbled upon a relatively new article while I was at my police studies. http://oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca.gov/file ... yadded.pdf

Best regards,
-F.))

[Wendy_Fox]

(( Hello. I've got a question about handcuffs.

Acording the Guard Instruction Manual:

WHAT IS EXCESSIVE FORCE?

Examples of excessive force include knocking unconscious an unarmed suspect when he is only trying to leave the scene. Handcuffs may be used on persons who have resisted or on suspects you think may be trying to resist or escape.

So... are LEO CCW/GP users technically able to handcuff unruly suspects whilst actively working as legal security guards within his employer's premise? Then, I've checked with an admin if people use /tie with proper RP and both parties consent, there's no problem at all. Even as a security guard ICly.
I am aware that normal citizens do not have access to this /handcuff command, however off-duty peace officers do. What is your opinion about that? Is there any server rule against the /tie one? ))